Author Topic: Defense Chance: Parry/Bushido  (Read 1143 times)

December 19, 2017, 06:49:18 PM

Offline joshuadt

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We were wondering if we could get the updated formulas for the combat hit/def chances, please?
The Wiki seems a little bit contradicting.


The Parrying page first explains the defense chances as they originally were introduced on OSI with the chance to block with a shield diminished when your Bushido went up.
But then it goes on at the bottom of the page, describing the New System in which the effect on your chance to block with a shield no longer exists with higher bushido; it's just based on your items in hand at the time. (which is how we understood was how it works here):
http://uoevolution.com/wiki/index.php/Parrying
 
But then, when you check the Bushido page:
http://uoevolution.com/wiki/index.php/Bushido


It basically describes the old, osi style of the defense chance formulas, yet the page was updated a few months more recently, as you can notice at the bottom the Bushido page was in Feb '16, but the Parrying was Sept '15


Plus, we all now also know that at least Eval Intel goes into the formulas at some point too
So, I guess even the "new system" formulas for BAS, BDS on the Parrying page are even a little outdated
Any way we could possibly get an update on these, por favor?
Ty :)

December 19, 2017, 07:02:56 PM
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Offline Emperor_Norton

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This is relevant to my interests.

December 21, 2017, 07:39:22 PM
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Offline Cain

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Yea it's kind of necessary info. Don't have to reveal variables but we'd all at least like a solid answer on what skills go into what formulas. We're building blind suits atm

December 22, 2017, 12:53:00 AM
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December 24, 2017, 01:58:44 AM
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Offline Morsax

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Gonna post the info from the dev logs here.

Publish 16 - September 2015
http://uoevolution.com/wiki/index.php/UOE_Development_Logs_2015

Enhanced Parry System:

Lets start by explaining how parry basically used to work. Your parry/bushido skill was checked in a black box. It didn't matter if you were fighting a mongbat or a champ boss, if you had a 40% chance to parry then you had it for both. Also both skills together kind of worked against each other and yet bonuses were also provided.

In the new system every attacker and defender has a Base Attack Score and a Base Defense Score as follows

BAS - basic attack score
BDS - Basic defence score

Attacker: BAS = (Combat Skill)% + (Anatomy)% + (Tactics)% + (Focus)%

Parry: BDS = (Parry)(Shield Type)% + (Tactics)% + (Focus)%

Bushido: BDS = (Bushido)(Weapon Type)% + (Tactics)% + (Focus)% Skill no longer determines if you are using parry or bushido, what does is how you are equiped.

Skill used
Shield: Parry
Fist or Ranged: Nothing
1 handed or 2 handed Weapon: Bushido

December 24, 2017, 02:04:03 AM
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Offline Morsax

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There was also a discussion about this topic on Thursday in Dev channel in Discord. Feel free to check it out.
https://discord.gg/m3KARNc

December 25, 2017, 11:12:57 AM
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Offline joshuadt

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that link is just an invite to the disco channel I linked to this forum post. so, i still dont see the discussion you're referring to, unless i have to sort up through the random conversations of the disco room? that's what's so nice about this forum, imo. convos & things can be more easily tracked.


Thanks for the reply though.
So it is the new formula listed at the bottom of the parrying page, as we suspected (and I believe at one point kane may have confirmed) but for new people it would still be confusing.
it's just nice to have official confirmation, ty :)


What about eval intel nerfing your defenses? is that just a lone modifier after the BDS is calculated, something like BDS/(Eval * n%) with different n values for parrying and bushido?
« Last Edit: December 25, 2017, 12:28:36 PM by joshuadt »

December 29, 2017, 12:02:03 PM
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Offline Morsax

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In development channel there is not much talking going on, so its really easy to find. Just scroll back to messages from 12/21/2017 and you are set :)
And for privacy reasons I will not copy that conversation here.
Not sure about Eval. Maybe Kane can say something regarding that subject or add to previous information.